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Here’s the second Red Hot Chili Peppers post on the site (the first). This time it’s a fishy borrowing of a Budgie riff from 1973. RHCP’s 1999 song “Around The World” opens with a nearly identical riff played on bass.
Budgie - "Breadfan" (1973)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - "Around the World" (1999)
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The end of “Give It Away” contains the riff from Black Sabbath’s “Sweetleaf”
Thanks xyroran! It’s posted here:
Thanks. I’ll add it to the list and post it later.
Even though both sound vaguely similar, claiming that the bass riff is “nearly identical” to or has been borrowed from the guitar riff in the other song is not only a blatantly incorrect accusation, but also a complete ignorance of the variance in musicality and context of each riff.
Add RHCP – ‘Under The Bridge’ and Rolling Stones – ‘Beast of Burden’!
If I may nerd out for a moment: Much of Rick Rubin’s rock music production output from the late 80’s / early ’90’s’ is built almost entirely on a foundation of well known classic rock riffs. The Cult – ‘Electric’, Danzig – ‘Danzig’, Masters of Reality – ‘MOR’, RHCP – ‘Blood Sugar Sex Magik’, Trouble – ‘Trouble’, Four Horsemen – ‘Nobody Said it Was Easy’ etc. These records are stuffed with allusions to 60’s and 70’s rock.
The reasoning is pretty subversive: Back when Rubin made a name for himself in Rap / Hip Hop, the ‘authentic’ world of rock music completely dismissed it as ‘not music’ due to the use of turntables and (later) samplers. Rubin had their ticket punched, though, when he took British goth rockers ‘The Cult’ and crafted their breakthrough 1987 lp ‘Electric’. The record, amid Rubin’s stark, bone dry production, is a set of ‘sampled’ classic rock(most obviously AC/DC, amongst others), but instead of using turntables and Akai’s, they used guitars, bass and drums, thereby proving rap / hip hop right about sampling and making rockers look like hypocrites.
For proof of concept Rubin continued this style for three years with numerous groups, tweaking the method to fit particular acts, leading to some big success with both RHCP’s and, though belatedly, Danzig.
Once rock finally let go of it’s hip hop hang up, Rubin abandoned the concept soon after ‘Blood Sugar’.
scott pilgrim bass battle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmd7w-qKRWM&feature=related
Trying to be original is futile. If you have no place to go, stay home and cook. (Darby Bannard)
Hi Steve! Wow, you’ve just pouding the site with a lot of quotes on originality. You have quite a collection!
And, true to form, none of it is original material.
And that’s the point. Thank you. One can appricate one idea begets the next idea.
Is it ok to take one idea nail it to another idea to make a new idea?
Steve, if that was NOT ok then there would be no progress. Since you bring this up I would like to take this opportunity to clarify my intentions for this site. I don’t necessarily claim that these artists are doing anything wrong (there are a few exceptions) but it it serves as an outlet for people like myself who need to know where a song idea might have originated. It has saved many music listeners nights of anguish trying to piece together something they think they might have heard before.
The site is a good tool for that reason. Wonder in the future that could be mapped in a visual way. Anywho, what’s up with “tis my country” vs Britian’s national anthem?
According to The World Almanac and Book of Facts 1992 (and probably other editions), the words for My Country ’tis of Thee were written by Rev. Samuel Francis Smith, set to a melody he found in, of all places, a German songbook, unaware that it was the tune for the British National Anthem, which is attributed to John Bull in 1662, I think, but Wikipedia states that it is similar to several plainchant melodies, back when accidentals where at the discretion of the player.
There are many examples of songs with the same melody, such as in folk music, rock, pop, blues, jazz, anything you can think of, but I suppose what is unusual about this one is that it is two national songs for different countries. Then again, American culture is loosely based on British culture, although there are many aspects which have developed since, some unique, some from other cultures and the same goes for many countries originally colonised by Britain, many of them closer to British culture.